Captain With Over 25 Years Of Experience Runs Aground

[Brian Degulis]

Hopefully, I have misunderstood your comment, but from the way I read it, it sounds to me like you think Pascal somehow puts his customers in peril. If that is, in fact, what you intended to convey, then you're DEAD WRONG!

I can tell all of you first hand that Pascal is one of the most capable captains I've come across. No voyage is ever perfect, and what counts when things get a little hairy, is that the captain knows instinctively what to do, how and when to do it, and with a "poker face" that does not alarm or panic the passengers.

When was the last time any of you made a 4,500 mile voyage without a single hiccup?

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As for seeing a photo of a boat hauled out, one shouldn't jump to the conclusion that something is broken and that that's the reason to put a boat on the hard. Sometimes we haul out to do maintenance, install underwater lights, or make other improvements, etc.

Now I'm praying that Ang grows a sense of humor

Brian

 

[Walter P]

Just about everything I've heard or read about the ICW is not good. I agree with Pascal with his observation regarding when you last made the run. I have personally made 29 trips between NJ and south Fla over many years and even then, there were areas that were impossible at low tide, even with a five ft draft. I can imagine it now. I hope to make at least one more run before I get much older, but it I hear of any bad areas, I will run outside. If you watch the weather and plan accordingly it's probably the better way to do it.

From what I know of Pascal, he strikes me as an extremely capable and conciencious skipper. I wouldn't hesitate to entrust my boat to his command.

Walt

 

[Pascal]

you have no idea what you are talking about, how many trips I've made, what the conditions were and the like... so keep mouthing off with your little buddy randy... it's fun to read

I'm certainly not 2 for 2...

and as to running 200 miles a day, hey in 1977 fuel was cheap... to run 200 miles a day, you have to run on plane... In case you havent figured it out, the cost difference to relocate a 70 footer at 10kts vs 20kts is well over $10k.

 

[Capt K]

Man, I don't know what's up with a lot of this group lately, but I think Sam's would make some serious coin if they could start stocking Valium for the HOF members!

This is fun, informative, and offers comaradarie...remember?

I'm out of here!!!...just kidding. Don't be calling me no "girlie man"!

Just pulling your chains guys, and girls!

K

 

[captddis]

you have no idea what you are talking about, how many trips I've made, what the conditions were and the like... so keep mouthing off with your little buddy randy... it's fun to read

I'm certainly not 2 for 2...

and as to running 200 miles a day, hey in 1977 fuel was cheap... to run 200 miles a day, you have to run on plane... In case you havent figured it out, the cost difference to relocate a 70 footer at 10kts vs 20kts is well over $10k.

Well then correct the record. Are you denying the boat was grounded on the way up? How many trips have you made outside of Dade county?
How many deliveries? 4? I will list mine complete with names and references. Hobie cats do not count.




The owners of the boats I run understand a yacht costs money and the fuel is what it is, a part of owning the boat. Reread the post, I have run yachts for hire since 77 when I was 15 and ran a 46 CC C onstellation. I still do.
Actually on the last trip from Houston to Sandusky OH, I averaged better than 14 kts in 2753 miles and scores of locks, tows etc and I slowed down for everyone. Got 1/2 mi per gallon.

I did not plan to get personal until you quoted me but since you did put up or shut up. I let my clients promote me, I do not promote myself on the forums.

 

[jeff shayne]

they are all upset - illegals are filling in the icw with shovels [ practicing for when jobs return]

 

[krush]

I run aground everytime I leave my dock--well more like plow through the mud.

 

[captddis]

they are all upset - illegals are filling in the icw with shovels [ practicing for when jobs return]

Mystery solved, they are going to offer to dig it out for a cheap price.

 

[captddis]

I run aground everytime I leave my dock--well more like plow through the mud.

That is called dredging!

 

[krush]

That is called dredging!

That's what I usually call it too, but I wanted to be part of the cool crowd for once!

 

[GJH]

Boy this thread turned to a bunch of BS quickly; what a bunch of armchair quarterbacks, and that includes the so called perfect captains in particular.

Today was the third time in the past year I have run the subject section of the ICW. Like Pascal, I too keep logs each time of spots that may be trouble under different tide conditions. I pay close attention to reports by the USCG, USACE, various cruiser forums and consult the local tow companies for updates if need be. All I can say is that on today's ICW, none of that will insure that you will never come to a spot on a given day that impedes your passage. What would you have him do, keep ramming the bar until he bulled through? Or, as he did, realize the situation and stop and wait?

And "going outside" is not always an easy, faster or safer alternative, and I'm as likely as the next guy to go that route conditions (as in "pleasurable") permitting and purpose existing.

I am not a professional captain, and certainly don't beat my chest as The World's Greatest Mariner. I went hard aground (as in, couldn't wiggle the boat off easily) for the first time in 50 years of boating the other day. I should have known better, but was following a Fleming 55 who was reporting depths as we went along past a dredge tow . Somehow I found the snag and he didn't. Shame on me.

The difference between my situation and Pascal's is that anyone with half a brain and my experience would have laid back and let the Fleming win or lose the bet, and just gone slow behind the tow. In Pascal's case, knowing the circumstances, he did what anyone with full brains would do, and then used much more than a full brain of sense to remedy the challenge.

Anyone who has followed threads here and on BE knows I have certainly had my differences with Pascal (Hurricane Ike, for instance), but this ain't one of them.

Other than that, hats off to you who are the boating equivalent of lottery winners who are now financial geniuses as a result.

George
anchored peacefully, and in one piece, at Beaufort, SC.

 

[bobk]

OK Children, lets get back to Hatterii and boating.

Bob
Bin aground in my 40000 miles plus and not ashamed of it. As thay say, if you haven't been aground, you haven't been around.

 

[Pascal]

Ddis i dont' have to correct any record or justify anything to you or anyone in a public forum...

I am sorry if you feel i am promoting myself, that's not the point. Unlike you and so many other "pros" who have this huge superiority complex, I am still first a boat owner and a boater. I dont' get a kick calling my self "captain" and the reason for some of the threads i've started, including the helm cam i ran on these trips, is to share information with others, especially fellow boaters who are considering doing the trip and rely on site like Cruisers.net and others for info. that's the difference, and i haven't seen you contributing much....

 

[captddis]

Ddis i dont' have to correct any record or justify anything to you or anyone in a public forum...

I am sorry if you feel i am promoting myself, that's not the point. Unlike you and so many other "pros" who have this huge superiority complex, I am still first a boat owner and a boater. I dont' get a kick calling my self "captain" and the reason for some of the threads i've started, including the helm cam i ran on these trips, is to share information with others, especially fellow boaters who are considering doing the trip and rely on site like Cruisers.net and others for info. that's the difference, and i haven't seen you contributing much....

I have never called myself Captain, I use capt in my computer name because every combination of my name I tried was already taken. I just go by Dave.
You said I don't know what I am talking about so I thought you would offer evidence to back it up. If you do not want to do that is fine and I will drop it.
As far as superiority complex just reread your posts. You could not even complain about getting waked without telling how it should be done.
I do not bring a computer with me, I spend my time watching where I am going, doing ER checks etc.

 

[newinlet]

pascal,
Touch bottom run aground so what thats boating, it's how you handle the situation that seperates the men form the boys. and it seems you made the right call. whats up with you guys give the guy a break If you run a boat long enough your gonna have something, anything go wrong !!
BTW love the Miami web cam
anybody know the boat "Wake UP Call"
61 Viking sport fish it winters in Miami Capt Bob Paine is the best

Thats all !!

 

[Brian Degulis]

Hey Sky Ang is right be more carefull about the pics you post on a thread about Pascal running aground people are liable to get the wrong impression.

 

[Sparky1]

Pascal ole' buddy, you can dish it out but you sure can't take it.

As for BoaterDead, I never look at that place as it's just too damn boring. Saying I got kicked off that forum is like claiming you fired a guy after he tendered his resignation and was cleaning out his desk. If you think I was kicked off this forum, you need to talk to Doug.

FYI a mutual friend of ours sent me a PM with a link to your story. Now a lot of these guys on here have no idea of our history together, but there's really no need to dredge all that up again (unless you want to) despite you making my little jab at you personal.

As EVERYBODY on this forum has always said (except you... until now), there are those who have run aground and there are those who will (or something to that effect). Welcome to the club.

 

[Boatsb]

About running 200 Mi per day I have done that more than once and burned only about 2 gal/day up and down the coast. Oh yeah I never ran inside as the draft was over 8 feet and the mast height over 85. I bet if someone wanted to run at hull speed 200 miles a day it could be done.

My dock neighbor used to run about 150 miles a day in his nordy.

 

[Pascal]

Scott, sure it can be done... you run outside, 10 kts, 24 hours a day with a crew, you can easily make the trip in a week or less, if the weather is good. it's actually easier with enough crew.

it all comes down to what is agreed upon with the owner.

 

[Boatsb]

I did it mostly with 12 people or more and wind power. I bet the nordhaven owners would argue the trip is OK on autopilot since the 7.5 kts they run at is not bound to do much damage if they hit something. especially the way those boats are built.

The point is stay outside or risk problems. Even my 41 was close to the bottom on the ICW and I only draw 3.5-4 Ft.

Maybe Nobama will get it dreged so we can take all his constituents on boat rides.