Thanks for the info. I called US Battery and asked them who manufactures their batteries and they said we do. Made in the USA. So not getting far there. Researching on the net doesn't really indicate WHO makes them, and I couldn't find anything to suggest that East Penn made them. And yes, I'm talking about 8 volt here. Incidentally It's Rae's Battery in CT that is telling me this. Given that Sky and others have had good things to say about this shop I am leaning toward believing him........ And then he tells me he doesn't take credit cards and I would have to mail him a check. There goes another week! Nothings easy....... Scott, I'm not sure how I would find out which factory makes the US Battery, unless you mean if they happened to be made by East Penn, or US Battery. All I know is the PO put 195's on the house side and they didn't last even 3 years. Thanks for all the advice.