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We did the same thing, Carl. We were looking at 1970's 53MY's and then I thought I would just "look" at a 1985 53EDMY. Well, after looking and after ponying up another 100-150k more than the others.............you get the picture.
I'm glad that I have the boat that I do now, though. It sure is easier to start with something that is in pretty good shape, then to have to spend all of your time upgrading and not really using it.
 
SKYCHENEY said:
And, if anyone is thinking about single engine opereration, consider this: If you have stabilizers, you will want to run the engine with the hydraulic pump on it. This means that only one engine will be getting the hours or you will have to run half of the time without stabilization. I doubt it is really worth it in that case.

your right I forgot about that so if I was on along voyage and my stabilizers are hooked to my starboard engine then I'd save the port for good weather days?
 
Before our Hatt we owned an Ocean Alexander 50' markI.
It was a great boat in heavy weather, but slow.
 
DON'T DO IT, SENOR GOOZMAN!!! No other boat would fill those shoes and be the GuzCruiser! ;)
 
I do not see how you will save money by switching to a Nordhaven. There are 4 here in my marina, and one is just been sold. The owner is waiting to take delivery of his new 47. But he is already speaking of selling so that he can by their 68.

Though It may save you fuel, I believe you will spend the difference in the purchase of a new boat.
 
Carl, in all honesty I'd perhaps start looking now in the options of occasional week-long island charters or something with your boat in case you really need the $$$ and it becomes a case of having to sell the boat. Those charter dollars could tide you over until things balance out in your business. Then you don't lose the boat.

It takes a while to find a good captain you'd entrust with your boat, but with the right one (or ones) and somebody that can throw you occasional charters (maybe 2 or 3x/yr), you'd be in good shape and get some much-needed maintenance paid for. And that boat would be an absolute dream for a lot of people to charter -- she's gorgeous. You'd get a decent buck. Think about it.
 
I know a qualified captain with experience on GuzCruzin. :cool:
 
CARL GUZMAN said:
So my advise when your shopping don't, don't ,don't walk on a boat that is more than you want to go because it will bother you forever whether you buy it or not you'll always think about it.

Very timely advice as we head to FLIBS. Maybe I better stay home.
 
Being one of the few, perhaps the only, trawler owner on this forum, let me offer some of my observations from five years of owning a Hatteras 48 LRC. The boat is a keeper for sure, but it is a different style of boating from a planning hull. Prior to the purchase of our 48 we owned two Hatteras planning hull boats, a 36 and 44.

Our boat is slow, but not as slow as a Nordhavn. I pass them frequently running in the ICW, when I am doing 8 knots, which is our cruising speed. I would recommend that you travel at 7 knots for a day or two and see if you like it. Trust me, that one knot is a big difference in perceived speed. A similar size sail boat will often run at 7.5 knots or better on their engine and sails. The Nordhavn may be able to cruise faster, but I have yet to see one doing it. Another opinion, do not give up twin engines. Better yet get twin engines and a bow thruster. Lots of sail area on all these style boats that can make docking in a breeze a real challenge. Be sure to go through a couple of dockings in a breeze before making a decision on any trawler. Make sure you have stabilizers or get use to rolling around with the round chines. We have all the above on our boat and it is now manageable and comfortable. Draft is also a concern as these boats draw more water than similar sized planning boats. My keel bottom is always clean down to the gel coat when I get hauled. And finally, a subjective point, there is just a big difference in going slow by choice and having no choice but to go slow.

Now for the positives and there are many. We burn 6 gallons an hour cruising at 8 knots. That includes the generator running an average light load. We carry 1400 gallons of fuel. So not only do you burn less but you get to buy fuel when you think the price is right, not every day or two out of necessity. We fuel once or twice a year with an average of about 200 engine hours each year. Raised pilothouse trawlers offer a great steering position in climate controlled accomodations, one of the best features. The piloting of the boat is relaxed as opposed to what I will rate as intense when you are on plane. The interior of the boat is much quiter when running, much less engine noise. The boats tend to be beamier than planning hulls of similar length, roomier. Smaller engines equals more room in the engine room, although fuel tanks take a lot of that extra room in our case. And, although you draw more water and will touch bottom more often, its hard to do damage to the running gear with the deep keel protection.

Hope there is some useful info in all of this to help you in the decision process.

Pete
 
Pete said:
there is just a big difference in going slow by choice and having no choice but to go slow.
Pete

You may have hit the nail on the head there .. but I got to go or I'll be in the dog house talk to you guys tomarrow...
 
I'm in the midst of the same desicion. My 43 at seven kts does almost two kmg what i feel is a very good figure. I can run at 13 kts and burn get around .6. There are very very valid issues with a 43 other than the limitations of an aft cabin. I've looked at a few trawlers, but truth be known It really looks like i'd be going backwords to get the few things my aft cabin lacks and let's not even adress the additional money (to perhaps go backwords). I need to go to as much as a 49 trawler to get a cockpit and additional engine room space. I'll get a tad bit better fuel mileage but limited to going slow forever. The research on this whole potenial desicion has caused my Gin consumption to go through the roof. I mean I'm going to sell my 43 for around a 100k, buy another boat for 200 to 300k, goes slower, less quality, needs stablizers, I think I need a little gin and tonic or a sharp rap upside the head. Bill
 
WOW at the boat show I got on a 46ft Nordhavn and Oh man that thing is small I mean small like tight ( made for small people ) the portugies bow was great but you can't turn around and if someones coming around the walk way to the bridge you have to back up all the way back to the aft to let them by :( . It was depressing I was all excited about seeing it .She really is a big little boat like some one shrak it down 7-10 ratios..or 7/8th scale .It sould say in the magazines ,:boat appears smaller in real life. I am a big guy ( wide load ) but even small people had a hard time ?? I'm definely going to have to stay with mine I don't fit in any other boats :rolleyes:
 
Last winter we anchored up in back of a new Nordhaven. We had a short discussion about his boat (i love the look). His coment was if you compare his to mine room wise I'd be very suprised as his 43's interior volume was much smaller than my 43. But most of the trawlers suffer from the same issue. It's the cost of wide sidedecks etc. I can tell you it's very hard to beat a motor yacht for room when you start comparing them to trawlers.
 
Carl, It's pretty hard to beat the space you got right now. If economy is what you want the 58 Hatt LRC is pretty nice although you still have it beat in the space department. But as you know economy is directly proportionate as to how far you push forward the two red balls.
 
Yea I think your right guys I went to see the grass on the other side but it was'nt greener :confused:
 
Karl - very nice but I'm trying to go down to 300k not up ;) And whats your asficsiation (sp) with steel boats I thought steel boats where bad and too much up keep I like the lay outs and lot of space to move but steel?? :confused:
 
C'mon GUZMAN-- REAL STEEL is where its at, or better yet ALUMINUM. I mite even sheath the big hatt with plate and have a Hargrave Roamer. All the lofting is done and thats the tricky part!
Seriously guys, metal boats of today are far superior than in days of yor with new coatings and galvanic theory. Look at DeVries/Lentch--If you aint DUTCH you aint much.
BUY THE TRAWLER BUY THE TRAWLER BUY THE TRAWLER ws
 
Come on man I used to weld aluminum boats in the summer of 86-87-88- for Bellcraft boats here in Naples , why do you think I'm such a boat fanatic today :confused: I love aluminum boats and almost bought a Roamer ,but hey lets face it if you didn't keep it up it could be pited and wore out and all this galvanic bull shit who knows what your getting??? so I went with the Hatteras name like good insurance because you cant buy insurance thies days you got to do the math on your own :D that is my insurance ...it's all a numbers game ..you just have to beat them at there own numbers ;)
 
Hang tough, Guz! Keep the 67CMY!! You can do it! Don't drink the Kool-Aid with that trawler nonsense!
 

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