Fuel Filler Hoses

[Dreamboat]

By chance, does anybody know the diameter and type of hose used for the fuel filler hoses for my 1984 53'? I'm 4 hours away from the boat right now but need to source a couple of lengths.
See pics below:

 

[SKYCHENEY]

I just replaced mine. I think they are 2" but I'll have to check again to be sure. They are each 12' long. You want to use Fuel Filler Hose like this:

 

[Dreamboat]

I just replaced mine. I think they are 2" but I'll have to check again to be sure. They are each 12' long. You want to use Fuel Filler Hose like this:

Thanks Sky. Will the 12' give me a little wiggle room or is that a tight measurement? I see some suppliers sell them in 12.5' lengths, so that should give me a bit of a safety factor.

 

[whoover]

Gary I see you are in Orillia. Find an Indrustrial Hose and Hydraulics shop. You will be able to order any length you need.

Walt Hoover

 

[Captain Ralph]

I e-mailed McMaster-Carr last year asking about fuel fill hose.
They have USCG hose at good prices. Send them a note for their part number. I recall the web page data did not mention USCG but when it came in, it was on the hose as should be.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

I bought two of the 12.5' hoses and ended up cutting several inches off of each of them.

 

[Dreamboat]

I bought two of the 12.5' hoses and ended up cutting several inches off of each of them.

Thanks Sky. I was in touch with Sam's and they said they could confirm the correct diameter with my Hull number, so I'm just waiting for that confirmation before I order the hose.

 

[Bob Bradley]

Gary I see you are in Orillia. Find an Indrustrial Hose and Hydraulics shop. You will be able to order any length you need.

Walt Hoover

As Reagan said, Trust but verify. I had a shop that made me a fuel line out Westerly way and insist it was fine for diesel. I called the manufacturer of the hose and they said definitely not. It would break down over time and fail, all the while putting bits of its inside into the fuel system.

 

[cww]

What's wrong with them? Initially I thought about doing this as a preventative measure on my boat after the water tank fill hose split and had to be replaced when it was wetting my aft stateroom carpet. But when I looked at them they are from completely different construction and materials. They're real rubber permeated cloth hoses, those last a long time. I squeezed them in several places and they are still pliable, they aren't seeping or leaking, and I couldn't see cracks anywhere on them. The boat has no diesel fuel smell anywhere. After looking at them I just said screw it and left well enough alone. These aren't like a normal plastic water hose, they're very heavy duty for this application.

 

[Dreamboat]

What's wrong with them? Initially I thought about doing this as a preventative measure on my boat after the water tank fill hose split and had to be replaced when it was wetting my aft stateroom carpet. But when I looked at them they are from completely different construction and materials. They're real rubber permeated cloth hoses, those last a long time. I squeezed them in several places and they are still pliable, they aren't seeping or leaking, and I couldn't see cracks anywhere on them. The boat has no diesel fuel smell anywhere. After looking at them I just said screw it and left well enough alone. These aren't like a normal plastic water hose, they're very heavy duty for this application.

In my mind, there is nothing wrong with them. BUT- the buyer's surveyor said they should be replaced, and given that that is the only condition in the offer, I'll bite the bullet and replace them.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

In my mind, there is nothing wrong with them. BUT- the buyer's surveyor said they should be replaced, and given that that is the only condition in the offer, I'll bite the bullet and replace them.

Wrestling those hoses is a job. I did all myself, but it sure would have been easier with a helper.

 

[Dreamboat]

Wrestling those hoses is a job. I did all myself, but it sure would have been easier with a helper.

Yes I figured that and I'm not looking forward to it.

 

[cww]

Yes I figured that and I'm not looking forward to it.

Most of the time what buyers really want with this kind of nit-picky stuff on a survey is a credit against the purchase price, once the deal closes they aren't going to want to do a bunch of difficult and unnecessary work any more than you do. It's just a strategy to reduce the price. Never hurts to ask what can we do to just convert this to dollars instead of playing that game of fixing something that isn't broken. Welcome to selling a boat. Houses are the same way.

 

[brettportzer]

I think you, as a buyer, would actually prefer the cost reduction and to then do the work yourself.

I have had a couple friends experience survey correction repairs that appeared to be done, and where not done correctly.

A friend of mine blames this sort of situation for the a problem with his generator that ended with replacing the generator.

So, perhaps the best strategy overall is to pay them to deal with it themselves.

 

[Dreamboat]

I agree with you guys, but the buyer was pushing to have these replaced anyway. I'm going to give him another go.

 

[Dreamboat]

Question for SKY:
Just wondering how you attacked getting the hoses out at the filler end. I've attached a couple of pics 1. where hoses in the ER exit through the deck to the filler necks , 2. Filler necks /caps from deck side.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Gary,
Mine are different on the 53ED. They go behind the mid stateroom closet. I just had to remove the back of that closet to access them. I think in your case, you may have to pull the deck fittings up to remove the hose clamps, then pull the hoses back down into the engine room.

 

[Captain Ralph]

You will have to cut the glue and remove the top panel. Looks like paint is hiding some screw heads.
The deck fill fittings may have a thru bolt and nut for bonding. keeping you from removing just tapping screws and pulling the fill plate upwards. Hose clamp heads probably wont fit thru the hose hole anyway.

 

[Captain Ralph]

Or, cut the hoses there, nipple in the new hose from there.
Many (MANY) hours and lots (LOTS) of blood saved.
The union will be in an easily visible area.
As everywhere; Use real pretty Awab clamps here with tab covers..

 

[Exoset]

Most of the time what buyers really want with this kind of nit-picky stuff on a survey is a credit against the purchase price, once the deal closes they aren't going to want to do a bunch of difficult and unnecessary work any more than you do. It's just a strategy to reduce the price. Never hurts to ask what can we do to just convert this to dollars instead of playing that game of fixing something that isn't broken. Welcome to selling a boat. Houses are the same way.

Greeting from Canada ,

as a matter of fact, I am the buyer of Jace and just wanted to jump in a little.

Since there is a broker between Gary and me I don't know if I am allowed to speak directly here but, let's give it a try.

If it were just me I wouldn't have gone for the fuel lines replacement but when you are paying a surveyor to check a boat and the guy is telling you that you should do it, mainly for insurance purpose etc, you listen to him a little (especially when you are paying more than 3 K (CAD) for the guy to do his job.

I fell in love with the boat at first sight and it didn't took long to see how much care Gary put in his boat. Since I am not buying cookies, a survey was mandatory on a lot of aspects. on a 1984 boat, let's just say that fuel lines were the least expansive of all recommendations in the report (sandblasting the hull for a few blisters was one for example).

I am not the kind of guy trying to save a couple of hundred dollars on this kind of purchase and I went for the only thing that made sense in the survey report (there is a crack somewhere in the fuel line according to the pictures of the surveyor).

I just wanted to drop by to introduce myself as I will definitely become a member here and say hello to Gary in the same time