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Volvo IPS Pods - Worth It?

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There have been allot of cool new boats hauled at my marina this year. Latest one is an 88' 100% carbon fiber Delta motor yacht that only weighs 50 tons and cruises at 30 knots. We were joking last night it was the future "Exodus" (name of my boat), I told him I needed a few years of depreciation to happen first :) Anyway, reason most of these cool new yachts are coming in is service on their Volvo IPS pods. My neighbor has a Azimut 55 with 3 pods and 2 of them are currently in need of service - every season there is something with at least 1 of them. Apparently not many marina's willing to work on them and have to wait on Volvo specialist to come in and do the work. So I'm curious what you guys are seeing and hearing about Volvo IPS Pods reliability and overall owner satisfaction?
 
As compared to an Allison M20 with a straight shaft out the back door? ;););)
 
Well yes, especially from the yacht owner who had traditional running gear and now own pods. Do the advantages of efficiency and maneuverability make it worth it based on reliability they have experienced with their own pods? For me, it would be compared to something I never have to think about - my 1976 Capitol transmission and shafts have required a total investment of about $50 in gore flax, $50 in oil and about 6 hours total labor in past 13 years/800 hours of use.
 
Maintenance is required and expensive. Could be $20k every 5 years. That's if all is well inside. I've seen many down for extended times for repairs. Only a few companies service them and its expensive. Did I say service on them is expensive?
 
I know someone who has a 42 Sabre , I think that Sabre boats are great , but I would only want straight shafts and normal transmissions. His boat has IPS drives . He has already replaced one with just under a thousand hours. He mentioned about $10, 000 for the repair. The reason that he stated is that the exhaust runs through the lower unit without being in separate tubing , the steering is electric and it is located in the same area. He claims that the exhaust hastened the demise of the steering actuator. He told me that he was selling the boat before the other unit needed attention. I can’t verify any of this , but I know simple is better , especially for people like us who have older boats.
 
I m not a big fan. They have benefits especially for inexperienced new owners due to ease of handling and are more economical. However I don’t believe the extra initial cost and maintenance are offset by fuel savings.

Service has to be done by Volvo. A friend of mine has them on a 50 footer and the boat was stuck for 3 weeks in the Carolinas on the way back up and one drive failed.

If you rarely venture far from your home area it may not be an issue but I can’t imagine the costs of flying a mech and parts to the Bahamas ...
 
Supposedly the later generations are better/more reliable. From what I hear owners love the performance, space, and dockside handling. But I think the evidence is in that they require frequent service and their seals are vulnerable to fishing line and just plain fail leading to water intrusion which ruins the oil and thus the pod. If you could dry stack the boat and stay stateside then maybe but I wouldn’t want to venture to the Bahamas in a pod boat where service is problematic. Would be interested to hear what the markets think on older pod boats value relative to their straight shaft sistership.
 
This "due diligence" info was suggested as of 2017:

IPS Generation A - First model - Roughly 2005-2007 - Need Steering Seals updated - Need
Full Flow Gear Oil Kits Installed

IPS Generation B - Second Revision - Change to Pressure Relief Valve- Roughly 2006-2008
- Need Steering Seals updated - Need Full Flow Gear Oil Kits Installed

IPS Generation C - Third Revision - Addition of Vertical Shaft Oil Pump- Roughly 2007-2010
- Some Need Steering Seals updated - All Need Full Flow Gear Oil Kits Installed

IPS Generation D - Fourth Revision - Addition of Full Flow Cooling - Addition of Reluctor
Wheel for Slip Clutches and DPS - Roughly 2010-2012- No Major Updates required - Just
check Service Bulletins

IPS Generation E - Fifth Revision - External Styling and Updates - Roughly 2012-2015 - No
Major Updates required - Just check Service Bulletins

IPS Generation E - Sixth and Current Revision - External Styling Updates - Roughly 2014-
Current - No Major Updates required - Just check Service Bulletins

IPS Full Flow Cooling Kits - Reverses the gear oil direction through the drive allowing all the
oil to travel through the gear oil cooler. Older models only allowed the bypass oil to cool and
they overheated and burned the clutches. Rough estimate = $2500 per unit. If they have a
black cylindrical manifold on the port side of the upper drive they have the updates.No
manifold = no updates.

IPS Steering Seal Updates - The older seals had inferior springs that would corrode
prematurely- Some time during revision C the springs were changed to a better material.
Rough estimate to replace = $10k per unit. Only way to tell if they have had the updates is
through receipts.

Please keep in mind that the engines, drives, and EVC (Electronic Vessel Control) systems
are very complex and the components can be surprisingly expensive. You should have
these systems checked prior to purchase by a certified Volvo IPS technician. Have the tech also
run the serial numbers through Volvo as well.
 
Eric I read that twice, and have changed my "no" to a "hell no".

That said, my dear old dad had the drives on his 48' Sabre, and in the 5 years he owned the boat didn't have any issues.... (500 hours +/-) And the yacht club breathed a sigh of relief when he got them as his docking maneuvers seized to be an "all hands on A dock" event......;)
 
Somebody mentioned a triple IPS mutt 55. Can you imagine engine access with 3 engines in a 55? And mutts aren’t exactly wide beam boats ...
 
We sold a 52 ft-ish Cruisers Express with triple IPS in it. The new owners keep the boat in Baltimore Harbor and do a fair amout of slow booze cruising. In that scenario you can apparently run the center engine alone for a very economical slow trawl. As always, YMMV.
 
Nice that they save all that money on fuel. They can put it in the bank towards the inevitable service costs of IPS drives.

My concern about systems like the IPS drives is that they make handling a boat too easy, and neophyte owners will think they are boat handling geniuses. Until something goes wrong. There's a lot less to go wrong with regular inboard drives like we all have. Then again, we are old codgers who have spent years learning how to run a boat. And dock it.
 
I am of the persuasion of not hanging an expensive gearbox suspended in salt water and expecting it to last the 37yrs my twin discs have.
 
Nice that they save all that money on fuel. They can put it in the bank towards the inevitable service costs of IPS drives.

My concern about systems like the IPS drives is that they make handling a boat too easy, and neophyte owners will think they are boat handling geniuses. Until something goes wrong. There's a lot less to go wrong with regular inboard drives like we all have. Then again, we are old codgers who have spent years learning how to run a boat. And dock it.
Case in point. There's a 64' OAlex next dock over. I suspect the new owner cannot yet solo until a licensed captain signs-off with his insurance company. The hired captain, 100T Master, has taken the owner under instruction. Apparently, instruction is pretty much focused on bow and stern thrusting. So, they have gone out a few times over the last few weeks and practiced a dozen approaches each time around our very current challenged marina. To wit, they've (owner and captain) have hit the docks and been sideways against 3-4 boats at a time. They recently accomplished a marina first; the captain plugged up the 65' fairway between two T-heads at one point. Sounds like the 100T Master's sea-time consisted of emptying ashtrays on a floating casino.

The owner has shown no discernible aptitude for handling his boat around fixed objects--like Aslan! After the crash, they commenced approaches on the empty space behind me--I hope I didn't make him nervous standing there. Anyway, his technique is, essentially, to get 25'-30' off a face dock and alternately bow/stern thrust over. He never uses his engines to maneuver or pass over a spring line to get alongside. I guess his captain is going for job security. IMO, they ought to turn off those thrusters and learn to drive the boat onto the dock. Now, we all sit up and take note when those motors fire up.

To make matters worse, after laying across and pinned to several boats last weekend, they eventually departed the marina failing to report their collision. I hailed them, and they said there was no damage to the boats they hit. Again IMO, not really their place to decide. So, I made certain the absent owners and the marina were made aware. When the defense again was, no damage done, I suggested the marina take a look at the damage the OAlex did to itself--several thousands of dollars. How can you say you did no damage to others when you take a bow sprit inside your cockpit door and grind away on your boat's side. We peeled their paint off one of the boats they didn't damage. BTW, the 100T Master tried to power out of that spot with predictable results.

When later asked by one of the victims for insurance information, the owner was quick to reassess his position. I imagine his insurance carrier would take a dim view of his future captaincy of their insured vessel. To me, it's a matter of integrity. But then, I'm sensitive. A guy hit me in August (while I was aboard) and tried the same tactic. He decided it best to pay me in cash while explaining it was all just a big misunderstanding. Isn't it always after you're caught.
 
I think you need some recording cameras on your boat if you want to ever leave the marina again.....
 
I had the misfortune of being stranded a few winters ago along the Nova Scotia, and Maine coast nursing a sick Volvo IPS boat, trying to get south... don't even think about buying one. Any money you save in fuel, will be eaten many times over in maintenance.. scheduled maintenance. And when they break, it's 25-30k R&R with a rebuilt unit... nobody works on them.. including Volvo dealers! The boat we were bringing South was a 2007 model, on it's 3rd unit!.. My MG514C is 33 years old and works just fine.. Even if I won the lottery, you couldn't pay me enough to own a boat with IPS drive... did I mention I'm not a fan?...
But from this angle, they look great and wonderful economy!
 

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Problem with thrusters is that in most cases, under 80/90’ is that they are electric and will overheat of pushed too long. Then of course in many cases they are not strong enough to push the boat against a 25kts wind or a real current.

Anytime it s windy, you d better assume the thruster won’t be able to handle and do it the old fashion way.

No idea how much wind IPS can handle.

I ve never understood why people even bother with stern thrusters on twin screws boats. The gears will move the boat much better.
 
I have one friend with a 34 Mainship with a bow thruster from new' single engine semidisplacement hull. It's a small boat and the thruster is useful. BUT, he had years of experience with big sailboats, single engine, no thruster, etc. When the thruster didn't work (pin sheared) he took the boat out anyway. They are nice but not essential.

Okay, we're all curmudgeons here, but at least we can get in and out of slips and marinas without leaving a trail of damage in our wakes. Without IPS drives or thrusters.
 
My boat came with a thruster and although I could do without it’s nice to have for that little extra finesse. If it wasn’t there i wouldn’t spend the money to put it in but I do like it.
 
I have one friend with a 34 Mainship with a bow thruster from new' single engine semidisplacement hull. It's a small boat and the thruster is useful. BUT, he had years of experience with big sailboats, single engine, no thruster, etc. When the thruster didn't work (pin sheared) he took the boat out anyway. They are nice but not essential. Okay, we're all curmudgeons here, but at least we can get in and out of slips and marinas without leaving a trail of damage in our wakes. Without IPS drives or thrusters.
Maybe we have the same friend. My neighbor is on a single Mainship with bow thruster. Really useful application there because the prop-walk is incredible.
 

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