I didn't know that cold tempertures could damage the varnish

[ralexa6808]

Guess it must have been significant, there are only 2 photos of the interior (looks like before freezing photos)....and how cold does it have to get to damage the finish? Guess the heat failed and no one knew, a shame.

https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/bod/6188548206.html


At the bottom of the listing

"Brokers comments:
The US$799,000 listing price might be a surprise. The high gloss varnish was damaged (hazing) in a cold spell. While not offensive, it is noticeable throughout the boat. The walls could be sanded and re-varnished, or covered with a high-end vinyl wall covering.

We believe that the asking price more than takes into account the full cost of redoing the walls and represents exceptional value for this lightly used boat."

 

[Pascal]

Doesn't make any sense... thousands of boats with brightwork are stored in sub freezing weather every year.

And I doubt it's varnish anyway, another broker showing his ignorance. On these boats the interior finish is a two part modern coating not varnish, and issues with the areas turning milky over time are not uncommon

I like Montefinos but the one must be a dog with only 800hp engines... you need at least 1200 hp on something that size. This is a trawler.

 

[jim rosenthal]

Milk run yuk yuk

 

[bobk]

It's hard to even speculate given the description. I encountered this on a Walnut curio cabinet that I built 30 years ago. My trusted paint store suggested I try a new water thinable varnish and many months after finishing the piece we started to see a haze on the surface. It could be wiped off, but would always return. Most folks do not notice it. Ten years ago I built an identical cabinet for my daughter using a conventional polyurethane varnish and that one has no such issue.

I agree with Pascal, this is not likely a temperature effect and if the finish is original, it is probably a 2 part PU.

Bobk

 

[SEVEN]

They should have turned this one into the insurance company and have it repaired. Beautiful yacht but could you imagine what else is wrong? WOW

 

[ralexa6808]

Looks like this is the boat with more interior photos. They must have taken them before the damage to the finish.....or if these are recent photos it looks pretty darn good....or is it just me?

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1999/Monte-Fino-Skylounge-3042930/Vancouver/Canada#.WWT7JtKpW1s

 

[Toolsntoys]

On My cruisers 4270 the wood finish will blush under extreme humid conditions. As soon at the humidity goes away the white goe away. Some times when I boil water the wood cabinet above the stove turns white for a bit.

 

[Walter P]

I have never experienced the "white" blush but I have never used the water based materials. My suspicion is they probably used water based wood finish. The only advantages of water based materials, including Formica water based adhesive (contact cement) are lower VOC's and easier clean up including brushes.

Walt

 

[SEVEN]

It turns white with Lacquer as well.

 

[bobk]

It turns white with Lacquer as well.

Good point! But would any one use lacquer in this day and age, especially on a boat?

Bobk

 

[SEVEN]

You bet. Most of the wood comes pre finished and touched up after install. Lots use pre Cat lacquer or conversion varnish due to it durable finish. But even those get milky when exposed to high amounts of humidity or cold.

 

[Walter P]

I can't speak for lacquer but I remember that shellac was notorious for getting milky. It's only advantage as I recall is that it dries very fast and clean up was with denatured alcohol.

I wonder what kind of $ would be required to re-finish that interior or one of ours for that matter.

Walt

 

[SEVEN]

I'd be more afraid of other items that froze. Engine block, water lines, sanatation system. Who knows just how cold and what is damaged. Such a shame.

 

[SeaEric]

Regal boats and some others have had terrible problems with their interior wood finishees getting cloudy. If you look at some 42 and 44 Regals online you can plainly see the issue. These are factory applied by spray and not easily repaired. Here is a photo of a Regal in Ohio that is a particularly bad case.

 

[34Hatt]

I'd be more afraid of other items that froze. Engine block, water lines, sanatation system. Who knows just how cold and what is damaged. Such a shame.

Most likely those were winterized how do you winterize a wood finish

 

[jim rosenthal]

Clearly you can't. You'd have to know in advance that this was going to happen and then keep the interior temp above freezing all winter. Do they know for a fact that it was cold temps that did this, do you think? I am sure that the finishes used on our boats are not the same as the ones used now.

 

[Walter P]

Jim, I agree that our boats were not finished like many new boats. Hatteras used an oil finish rather than a "varnish" coat. The proof is in the pudding, our boats left the factory with very nice interior wood work and after several decades most of them still look very good. Of course some of our boats have "molested" interiors because some previous owner decided they were better at boat interiors than the professionals at Hatteras. Unfortunately mine was one of them and I put in tons of labor to tear out most of the interior and rebuild new cabinets and re-veneer the bulkheads (walls for all the landlubbers out there). I still think oil finishes are the way to go, if for no other reason, it isn't difficult to repair an ooops.

Walt

 

[jim rosenthal]

No question on that. The interior of mine still looks fine, although it doesn't look new. But 99% of it is perfectly good. And it isn't hard to match; the combination of the wood color and red mahogany stain matches up very well.

Years ago I took out the existing large refrigerator and paneled that area, then built shelves and installed a smaller fridge, which is more than enough for me. I did the interior walls in luan veneer, but I am going to redo them now that I have enough afromosia and can match the stain, so it will look like the rest of the boat. Considering that Blue Note is nearly fifty years old, the interior looks very good indeed.

 

[34Hatt]

Clearly you can't. You'd have to know in advance that this was going to happen and then keep the interior temp above freezing all winter. Do they know for a fact that it was cold temps that did this, do you think? I am sure that the finishes used on our boats are not the same as the ones used now.

Guess I should of added a winking smiley

It was sarcasm I know you can't winterize the walls unless you heat it or store it inside

 

[jim rosenthal]

Sorry about that, chief. ;0