Sam's is your source for Hatteras and Cabo Yacht parts.

Enter a part description OR part number to search the Hatteras/Cabo parts catalog:

Email Sam's or call 1-800-678-9230 to order parts.

Dry Bilge Systems

  • Thread starter Thread starter davidwigler
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies Replies 15
  • Views Views 20,666
According to the arid bilge website, Jim Grove has this on Fanfare. Perhaps he will let us know how it works.
 
Hi David-

I bought a pair and have not installed them yet. They seem to be well made and had a conversation with the guy who made them in Canada and he is a terrific guy.

I am just finishing up a major job cleaning and painting bilges stem to stern and didn't want to put these in till the bilges are clean. The reason for that is that they are apparently sensitive to dirt, oil etc from bilges. The manufacturer puts an in line filter (which is simply a plastic lawn mower fuel filter)

I really like the Arid Bilge systems and know that Fanfare has had terrific results but felt that $4,000 for the cheapest unit was too high. I have little doubt that after spending most of that on other options.... I will end up with an Arid at some point though :0
 
I do have the Arid Bilge System. Al Baurley, its inventor and patent holder, has been my electronics guy for more than 20 years. I had unit #3 installed on Fanfare for several years, but found I needed more bilge pickups than its four. So I went through the boat and cataloged the areas water seemed to accumulate. Fanfare has five watertight compartments: bow (the Wine Cellar); generator room under the galley, by far the largest; two engine rooms and the very shallow aft cabin. That would do it if we were not using the boat. When we are on board I need a pickup under the aft shower for the water that gets behind the shower shelf, otherwise this water accumulates until the boat gets up on plane when it sloshes aft and sets off the bilge alarm. Another pickup is across from this under the guest stateroom (if this tiny cubicle qualifies for such a grandiose term). Even though I try to avoid it, open ocean voyages often entail larger seas with quantities of heavy solid spray soaking us on the flybridge. When this happens my engine rooms leak as water comes down the control cables, with water collecting between the outer engine stringers and the hull. So each ER has a second pickup there. The port pickup also detects when the bronze piping of my air conditioning sea water pumps begins to leak which happens every several years. So there you have nine pickups. With my original unit I had to move the pickups around to dry each zone. Now I don't.

I also have one of Al's more recent additions, an hour-counter registering the running time for each zone. I reset this every week or so, more often if I suspect something unusual. That's how the AC pipe leak was discovered early. As I was not aboard then, this may have saved me the cost of the unit since, caught early, the boat didn't sink. Al's website, < www.aridbilge.com > shows his current units which combine these functions in one box.

The great benefit of the Arid Bilge System is that it is automatic, self-checking, and designed for year around operation. If it malfunctions it sounds an audible alarm. It works by using a vacuum/pressure pump and sensors. Every few hours it polls the pickups by pulling a vacuum through each one's small diameter plastic hose. If the vacuum does not drop by drawing air within 30 seconds the little computer knows there must be water there, and, after checking all the other zones, it returns to suck on the wet one until it, too, detects air and shuts down. The pressure side expels the water over the side.

My early unit had some teething problems, most now rectified. My current unit is mounted on the interior wall of my stbd. engine room. This unfortunately acts as a sound board for the air pump and makes operations too audible. However, it does tip me off that there is a leak, so I should check the counters. Al seems to be aboard my boat at least every six months or so for some electric problem or another and checks his units while there. So I have had to perform little maintenance on it myself. It appears from my bills that the most common problem is the cleaning of the solenoid-operated vacuum valves on each pickup line at the air pump box. This could have been caused by some foaming detergent or bilge cleaner bubbling over and into the valves. I don't use these any more. I hope this fixes it.

I used to worry that the little vacuum/pressure pump would work so hard it would soon wear out. So far, so good.

As to results, especially "that Hatteras smell," I am not a very good judge. I try to remember to sniff on arrival, but I am usually so excited to get aboard that I forget. Besides, now it is much like perfume to me. (Just kidding!) I believe it is better. But my boat is shut up in storage for 8 months per year, and has 40+ years of smell accumulated before Al's system was installed. But my bilges are bone dry. If that was the cause, it's done. Everything my testamonial says on Al's website is true.

Full disclosure: I acquired my original Arid Bilge unit at a discounted price. My present units are, I believe, fully paid for, as are all maintenance items. As mentioned, I have not performed most repairs myself. In contrast to most other %#**%@#$ damn things on this boat.
 
Last edited:
His site shows the inside of the system and even tells all the components used. Cool setup. Not hard to make something similar for those that are creative, but you want have the software in the PLC that he has.
 
It's like every other invention out there. Once someone figures it out it seems easy. How many times have I said, "Why didn't I think of that?" Now that Al has, and holds the patent for this, a lot of folks seem to be coming up with similar systems. But like many apparently simple concepts, making it work reliabily over time is a lot more complicated than it looks. Just think about how corrosive bilge water is. Now try to pipe it through a lot of electronics and electric valves and see how it turns out. A lot of chislers will try to build it cheaper or just steal the idea and figure the lawsuit will take a long time for a result. Remember, "A fool and his money are soon parted." And, re boats, our fool will part with a LOT of money.
 
Well, if I recall, I was complimenting his system. And good for him for marketing it. I hope he is doing well selling it.

But the idea of sucking water out of the bilges isn't that special. When I first came on this forum and remember people talking about that hatt smell and water in bilges, I thought about a system that used a vacuum pump to suck the water out. It was just a mental exercise and I had a few variations in the execution, but in the big picture it was the same thing.

I'm not a huge fan of patents either. Mainly because the patent system has become so corrupted that it does nothing to protect the little guy it was originally created for! If a big company starts infringing on your idea, you gotta chase after them....and they have bigger lawyers.
 
Just wanted to compliment Fanfare on post #4. Informative, detailed, organized and just damned good execution of the english language! I mean sentence and paragraph structure, puntuation, the whole deal. In this internet age, good to see that some people can still write. BTW, I have no particular interest in, or need of a such a system on my little 31' EC. But a good read is always worthy on any forum.

Yeah, on patents. Years ago on of my "charges" obtained a patent on some obscure variation of a titanium v-band clamp (had nothing to do with our work-statement). I remember thinking- if only he could pull his weight on our lowly job of getting the #$%& airplanes out the door! Recently, this Musk guy who is in to commercial spacecraft, was profiled on TV and in several mags. Well his outfit doesn't bother much with patents because they figure no one can catch them anyway. I like that attitude!

Gary
 
Be the first, then get market penetration. In the "global economy" economy of today, somebody somewhere is going to copy you. Why waste the effort and $ on pieces of useless paper?
 
I'm reviving this thread - Has any one installed the Dry Bilge System yet or know anybody who has and given an opinion of it?

http://www.drybilgesystem.com/
 
Sent Dry Bilge an email requesting the dimensions of the pick up block last Tuesday, no reply to date.
 
Why would anyone's bilges be constantly wet and needing pumpout? I have very small oil drips on my 1980 DDs which i manage by placing oil catcher pads under engines but i have absolutely no water leakage and standing water in the bilges would freak me out. The system mentioned in the original post reminds me of commercial ships which have large bilges and a lot of water generated but not on our boats....
 
Fella's, lets try to stay on point. Original post back in 2012 was for feedback regarding dry bilge systems product and went no where. Lets not do it a 2nd time in 2015. Surprised nobody has feedback regarding this product given big price difference with Arid system. Maybe I'll be the guinea pig this spring.
 
Condensation from the hull, AC compressors, and Eskimo ice maker are the main sources of water in my bilge and I want it ALL out. Already capturing the condensate water from the AC air handlers in the grey water sump.
 
Fella's, lets try to stay on point. Original post back in 2012 was for feedback regarding dry bilge systems product and went no where. Lets not do it a 2nd time in 2015. Surprised nobody has feedback regarding this product given big price difference with Arid system. Maybe I'll be the guinea pig this spring.

Watch it the Internet POPO has spoken!
 
I've still got the Arid Bilge System. It was working fine in May. I will be down in a month and will see how it is doing.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
38,129
Messages
448,455
Members
12,481
Latest member
mrich1

Latest Posts

Trending content

Back
Top Bottom