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Battery cables 4-0 seems like overkill

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My 48 year old battery cables are failing. I cannot find what the amperage draw on my Delco Remy starter is. The run from 8 D batteries to starter is about 12 feet. My mechanic feels like 4 0 is unnecessary and probably2 0 would suffice. Any info would be greatly appreciated
 
So, a 24 foot circuit? There's tables for that sort of thing, but if it had 4/0 it probably needs 4/0.
 
That seems to me to be an absolute horrible place to try to save a dollar.

I would keep it 4/0.
 
I will never try to spare a buck by downsizing wires. Not worth it. I pretty much use 4/0 on every DC battery cable …

Plus if you are paying someone to replace a battery cable, the cable costs is nothing compared to the labor
 
Keep the 4/0 wire....replace the mechanic.
 
If you don't mind crawling around it's an easy job to take on yourself. I did all of mine. I bought my hydraulic crimper on eBay, my lugs by the bag on Amazon (anchor) and my wire from local marine supply. I also ordered red and yellow shrink tube for the ends. Mine were so bad that I was using the cross over switch to start the engines, afterwards never a problem. 4/0 is the wire size, do not go smaller.

Walt Hoover
 
The way I recall with electric motors, it has to do with the Full Load Amps (FLA) rating when you initially put power to them versus the the Run Load Amps (RLA) when an electric motor is actually running. The FLA draw is huge, albeit it only last for a second or 2 (why capacitors on some). Wire is sized by amperage so you go with the FLA rating of the motor. If you are going to do yourself, don't skimp on the crimper as suggested (would not recommend the type you 'hammer' shut), use commercial grade crimper as suggested. That was most memorable, and perhaps best, piece of advice I got on this forum 12 years ago from BoatsB when I was installing an inverter and dealing with allot of 4/0 wire. With inverters, way I recall, large wire size has to do with impedance. As aside, I always go at least one wire size larger then recommended with everything, saves allot of nuisance trips (like windlass) from happening.

As another aside - when you look at wire charts based on amperage and length, you take the full circuit round trip length, not just one way.
 
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My old Constellation 52 with Detroit 671 naturals had OEM 2/0 cables that I replaced with 2/0. Never had a problem.

I have a longer cable run with my Roamer to Cummins 6CTAs, and it's 12vdc whereas the Connie was 32vdc, and the online wire size calculator said use 4/0, so that's what I did.

It's easy enough to measure the existing cables and plug the numbers into the online calculators. Going bigger than what the calculators recommend won't hurt anything but your wallet. Going smaller is a YUGE no-no.
 
Cables don't wear out. Why are you told they need replacement?

Are they getting hot?
 
I replaced all my 4/0 wiring and I took the old stuff out and cut it up and removed the insulation on a bunch of it.

Lots of it looked brand new and lots of it was very disintegrated.

I didn't note what part of the cable was what, but, you couldn't tell from the outside that the inside was so bad in many spots.

After 50 yrs, or whatever, now at least I have red and yellow cables.

Cables don't wear out. Why are you told they need replacement?

Are they getting hot?
 
Mines were probably original and not tinned and had some corrosion. They also had longer than needed runs with the old blade style switches high up on the wall. I installed new battery switches just inside the door entrances, saves about 8’ of cables per engines.
 
Moisture. Corrosion. Engine starting problems eliminated when heavy duty jumper cables used to bi pass circuits ..the rot at the lugs was so bad that the cable was hanging by some sheathing
 
Cables don't wear out. Why are you told they need replacement?

Are they getting hot?
I guarantee you the cloth cable insulation on my old Connie's 2/0 cables wore out. And the lugs weren't tinned or shrink wrapped with adhesive. So water wicked up the strands and turned the cable all green. If that's not worn out, I don't know what is. :p
 
Cables don't wear out. Why are you told they need replacement?

Are they getting hot?
What planet are you from?
Cables adsorb moisture and degrade.
Were talking cables in a boat if you have a clue where the frak you are at, a boaters forum..

Another reminder that I need to ignore this SFB.
 
Cable does not wear out. The insulation around it can and allows it to corrode. I've seen cable in older boats in great shape and I've seen cable in newer boats falling apart. Good cable is not made in China. Good crimps are hexagonal or square and not the half-moon.

I use xtra heavy duty crimps and heavy glue lined shrink. Not the basic ancor stuff. More like the Thomas and Betts 4012 crimps

I also use a square (aircraft type) crimp tool made to work with these specific crimps and American made cable. They are all double crimped and pull tested.

By the way I order 5-700 crimps 3 or 4 times a year.
 
Cap'n Ralph...why you so mad all the time? :confused:
 
Cap'n Ralph...why you so mad all the time? :confused:

I guess he doesn't like Krush. This happens when people make judgements without knowing the person. One of the drawbacks of the internet, I guess. I'm sure the conversation would be much different on the dock.

Krush is a good guy. Intelligent, a Hatteras owner, and quite well traveled. He's done more at his young age than many do in a lifetime.
 
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Cap'n Ralph...why you so mad all the time? :confused:
Intolerance for idiots.
Cables don't have issues thru their life is a sign of stupidity.
Bad cables not only fail and options stop working but can start fires and threaten life on boat.
I get upset when morons don't recognize simple things.

I found that ignore tab. Anybody don't appreciate my thoughts can ignore me.
 
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Intolerance for idiots.
Cables don't have issues thru their life is a sign of stupidity.
Bad cables not only fail and options stop working but can start fires and threaten life on boat.
I get upset when morons don't recognize simple things.

I found that ignore tab. Anybody don't appreciate my thoughts can ignore me.

Maybe this is why participation is down here. Moderators letting people on here that call members morons and idiots probably doesn't help. I've seen people get banned from this site for much less offensive behavior, yet this is allowed over and over again from you.

You need to learn to play nice, Ralph.
 

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